For the last time get a clue o foolish one! How many times and how many ways must you be told/shown that Plame was NOT an undercover agent. She said this herself during a Times interview. Even the independent prosecutor does NOT believe Rove is guilty of a crime. He said as much outright. "You" are NOT the target of our investigation. Does that ring a bell?

Please, drmiler, be cool!! Neither am I foolish nor need to get a clue? Just a concerned American exercising my constitutional rights. I have earned my spurs in war and society. You will always be treated with respect and civility; that's all I ask from you. If you ever desire to have someone sincerely hear your argument, then cease the condescending remarks and labels. It simply doesn't work for me and assumably, others. We share a common concern with the safety and security of this great nation and your barbs should be directed towards those who opposed this, in your eyes, and not the messengers of various viewpoints. If counterarguments bother you, then try something else rather than the current approach. If you can't handle the library, don't burn the books.

Whether Plame was an undercover agent is an issue for the special prosecutor to determine. She was a CIA agent and that agency thinks very unkindly of anyone revealing the identification of their operatives. Years of layering and identities have now went askew due to Robert Novak revealing Plame and possibly jeopardizing other operatives and informants as well. Guilt or innocence is not determined by the special prosecutor who investigates and presents evidence to a grand jury to determine whether an indictment is warranted. A trial is then held in lieu of a plea agreement, if offered, where a jury hears the evidence presented to cite innocence or guilt in the matter.

At the least, Rove and others can be cited for unethical behavior which outed a CIA employee who had worked prior or then on undercover assignments. Regardless, the President has qualified and then requalified a statement to fire any employee to leaks classified information in regards to Rove which sets a precarious example and lowers his own credibility. The recent State Department Intelligence memo released and seen by then SecState Colin had a paragraph classified secret in regards to Plame's name. Secondly, recent White House and RNC blitz to discredit former Ambassador Wilson is not helping their case any, but seeking only to diss him in the court of public opinion. Its time to let the investigation run its course and then evaluate the results. Until then, we are all concerned by the dirty politics Rove has contributed to and the multitude of stories perpetrated in order to cover his either providing the name or leading to the discover of a CIA agent.

11 CIA agents came forward today in a unified display concerning the release of Plame's name. Obviously, they did this with the consent of their superiors and at great peril towards an administration which values retribution as a valid political weapon.l

Think about this....former CIA agents and media groups submit their stories to the CIA for clearance prior to publishing. The Abu Ghraib story by Time was submitted not only to the Department of Defense, but the CIA beforehand. How then did Robert Novak get away with outing a CIA agent in print without a majority of the onus not falling upon him? Somewhere in there there is a dirty smell and its only result is damage to our national security and a ominous effect upon our fighting men and women in Iraq.

I care about this if you don't which can be construed by your apparent condescending labels. We both have much to learn from each other, but it is apparent you don't share this opinion. Let's agree to disagree and leave it at that rather than you disregarding civility in attempting to prove a point.

Thanks for posting.

Whether Plame was an undercover agent is an issue for the special prosecutor to determine. She was a CIA agent and that agency thinks very unkindly of anyone revealing the identification of their operatives.

That's the whole point Chuck. Plame was not an agent, she was a "self-professed" analyst. She's the one that said she was an analyst. And I apologize for being crude. The remark was typed after a lenghty battle over the "same" subject with col gene, who "refuses" to see any point but his.

Until then, we are all concerned by the dirty politics Rove has contributed to and the multitude of stories perpetrated in order to cover his either providing the name or leading to the discover of a CIA agent.

You see, you say one thing and then change your story. First you say we should wait until the investigation is over and then evaluate the results. And then you say the above which is totally opposite from your first remark. I will say this. Lets wait until they're done with the investigation before we lay blame or assign guilt. "If" Rove is found guilty at that point then let's fry his butt!

Ironically, one can work for the CIA in theor own DC building and be undercover-only the CIA knows. However, Executive Order 50 requires the Presidents to suspend the clearance of any suspected employee who reveals classified information to an uncleared source until such time internal investigation proves otherwise. The President did not accomplish this for over two years until a special prosecutor was appointed. Instead, great lengths were gone to to deny leaks, etc, without adherence to Executive Order 50.

My second statement is the obvious. What has the White House went to such lengths to provide spin for Karl Rove instead of letting the process take its course. They denied it had occurred and then switched gears to show Plame was not undercover; and now adopt "well, her neighbors knew she was CIA." Like any other possible criminal act, it should be regarded with silence until the investigation is over. This also includes the President of the United States and his staff since he is the highest officer of the land. Instead the misinformation to protect Rove is endless from the White House and favorablly inclined media. Next, you will probably see a movie!!

There were 11 instances of classified leaks according to a House investigation and no action was taken by the President to investigate as mandate under Executive Order 50 even when Plame's business cover was also identified. The damage done to our national security and intelligence collection process is not within our purveyance now, but CIA agents are coming forward with a simple message to the White House and others: Shut Up! There is also possiblity the Espinage Act of 1917 could be employed as an possible indictment as well. Regardless, there is a serious smell emanating from the White House regarding this and their inability to truly leave it alone until the investigation is over.

Thanks for posting....